Magic in the Room #144: The Iceberg Model: Finding your direction with Guest Chris King

April 18, 2023

In our final episode about the iceberg model, Chris and Luke sit down with Chris King to discuss the importance of being oriented to where you are and your direction. The iceberg model shows that there are many under-the-surface factors that influence us, such as our personality and experience. By understanding those factors, we can use them to move in the direction we want to go.

Chris is the owner operator of Chris King Counseling Services LLC, a private Counseling practice in the Tulsa OK area. After spending over 20 years helping people in areas of camp ministry, youth work, and experiential learning, Chris has been helping counseling clients move toward wholeness since 2011. He was the Director of Programs at New Life Ranch and Camp Orchard Hill, Youth Ministry Director at Liberty Church, and Lead Facilitator with Challenge Quest before entering into therapy work full time. He is a Licensed Professional Counselor in Oklahoma and a Nationally Certified Counselor who uses cognitive behavioral therapy, ACT, and reality therapy in a typically experiential context.

Find Chris and his practice at chriskingcounseling.com

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This episode of Magic in the Room was recorded onsite at Chris King Counseling
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