Magic in the Room #153: Are We Square Every Two Weeks?
June 20, 2023
What are people really looking for from work? Do they want to get paid and be even every two weeks, or does work bring a more profound sense of meaning? In this episode of Magic in the Room, Chris and Luke dive into the intersection of values, purpose, business, and compensation. The things leaders value, and the ethical decisions they make, directly impact how a company structures compensation, culture, and the engagement level of employees. If leaders are not intentional and explicate about values, many vital outcomes are left to chance.
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Credits:
- This episode of Magic in the Room was recorded at Story Catcher Studio in Tulsa, OK
- Music by Evan Grim. Find his music on
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