Magic in the Room #153: Are We Square Every Two Weeks?
June 20, 2023
What are people really looking for from work? Do they want to get paid and be even every two weeks, or does work bring a more profound sense of meaning? In this episode of Magic in the Room, Chris and Luke dive into the intersection of values, purpose, business, and compensation. The things leaders value, and the ethical decisions they make, directly impact how a company structures compensation, culture, and the engagement level of employees. If leaders are not intentional and explicate about values, many vital outcomes are left to chance.
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Credits:
- This episode of Magic in the Room was recorded at Story Catcher Studio in Tulsa, OK
- Music by Evan Grim. Find his music on
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In this episode of Magic in the Room, Luke Freeman, Hannah Bratterud, and Chris Province dive into the concept of “mattering,” inspired by Zach Mercurio’s work, and explore why it is a foundational driver of engagement, performance, and culture in organizations. They challenge leaders to move beyond assuming people matter to actively ensuring individuals feel that they matter by being valued and by contributing value to a shared purpose. The conversation highlights how mattering differs from belonging, why it cannot be replaced by perks or efficiency, and how leadership behaviors like attention, recognition, and presence directly shape whether people feel seen, heard, and understood. Through examples ranging from workplace dynamics to broader societal trends like social disconnection, they argue that disengagement, conflict, and even poor performance are symptoms of a mattering deficit. Ultimately, they position mattering not as a soft concept, but as a measurable, actionable leadership responsibility that underpins trust, resilience, and long-term success.

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