Magic in the Room #162: Love in the Workplace with Guest Renée Smith
August 22, 2023
Renée Smith champions a more loving and human workplace. Love is not a word we often use when talking about work. However, Renée believes love is critical to creating workplaces that allow people to solve the biggest problems we face. In this episode of Magic in the Room, Hannah, Luke, and Renée discuss the need to replace fear with love in our organizations.
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Renée is the Founder and CEO of A Human Workplace and served as the Director of Workplace Transformation in the Washington State Governor’s Office.
Find Renée on LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/reneesmith-ahumanworkplace or at AHumanWorkplace.com.
Credits:
- This episode of Magic in the Room was recorded on site in Chicago, IL.
- Music by Evan Grim. Find his music on
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