Magic in the Room #189: Looking Back and Moving Forward

April 8, 2025

Welcome to a new season of Magic In The Room! In this episode, hosts Hannah Bratterud, Chris Province, and Luke Freeman reflect on the evolution of their podcast as they enter this new season. They discuss the concept of seasons in both personal and professional contexts, emphasizing the importance of recognizing transitions and growth. The team shares insights from their recent strategic planning session, highlighting the theme of "Year of the Snake," which symbolizes shedding old layers and embracing renewal. They also reflect on the challenges and successes of 2024, noting rapid growth and the need to address structural weaknesses. Looking ahead to 2025, they focus on themes of agility, purpose-driven leadership, and building capacity in various aspects of life and business. 

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Credits: 

  • This episode of Magic in the Room was recorded onsite in Tulsa, Oklahoma 
  • Music by Evan Grim. Find his music on Apple Music. 



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