Magic in the Room #190: Leading Through Loss

May 7, 2025

In this episode of "Magic in the Room," hosts Hannah Bratterud, Chris Province, and Luke Freeman delve into the complexities of leadership, particularly when dealing with personal and professional challenges that aren't covered by standard policies. They discuss the importance of embracing a holistic community approach in workplaces, where personal and work lives intersect, and the difficulties leaders face when unexpected events, such as illness or loss, occur. The conversation is deeply personal, as Chris shares the story of his late friend Doug, highlighting the impact of personal relationships on professional environments. The discussion highlights the need for strategic planning that includes contingencies for unexpected disruptions and the importance of vulnerability and open communication in building trust within teams. 

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Credits: 

  • This episode of Magic in the Room was recorded onsite in Tulsa, Oklahoma 
  • Music by Evan Grim. Find his music on Apple Music. 



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