Magic in the Room #69: Leading When People Experience Trauma with Chris King
September 28, 2021
We must learn to be honest about the trauma people experience, and lead with care and compassion.
When we experience physical trauma, such as a skinned knee or a broken bone, we are well equipped to deal with it. We know when to put on a bandage or go to the doctor. However, when people experience mental or emotional trauma, leaders are often unsure how to care for them. In this episode of Magic in the Room, guest Chris King joins Luke and Hannah to discuss leading when people experience trauma.
Chris King is a licensed therapist in the state of Oklahoma (LPC) and operates a private practice with several therapists serving people in Oklahoma and Arkansas. Find more at chriskingcounseling.com.
Research in this episode:
- Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl
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